Thi Nguyen-Huu: Ethical Tech Visionary
Transforming Cybersecurity at WinMagic

Transcript

Barry Hayles:

Hello everybody and welcome to Bright Founders talk at Temy. Temy is an international software development company that designs, builds, and delivers software for sustainable businesses and promising startups. Welcome to our podcast, where we bring you the most inspiring stories of entrepreneurs and experts in the software development industry. Each week we interview successful leaders who share their unique journeys and valuable insights. I’m your host, Barry. Now, today we’re lucky enough to have a remarkable guest joining us: Thi Nguyen-Huu who is CEO at WinMagic Corp., Thi, welcome to the podcast.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Hi, good morning, Barry.

Barry Hayles:

Good morning, thank you, how are you doing today?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I’m good, thank you for having me. I’m excited.

Barry Hayles:

Perfect, it’s a pleasure.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I have not done really this before, so I’m looking forward to having something new today.

Barry Hayles:

Good, so we’ll be the first people to speak with you about this, that makes it even better, so we’ll get the scoop from you. Thank you for coming on to the podcast, we really appreciate it. Could you just tell our viewers a little bit about yourself and the company that you work at?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I’m from Vietnam. I went to Germany when I was 18 and I studied there. I lived 17 years in Germany and had my own company before I moved to Canada. There, I also continued to have my own company and, at one point in time around 94, I got involved in cryptography and I liked it so much that I changed everything to do just cryptography mainly and that’s where we are today.

Barry Hayles:

Perfect, did you always know that you’re going to be a CEO or an entrepreneur, or was it something that you just happened to come across?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Not at all. You know, I happened to be in Boy Scouts when I was very young and I think I have been always timid and it pushed me because I have been long there and I became a leader of the team. But I’m always the youngest and I always think I shouldn’t be the leader. As it turned out, I have to be the CEO and have to do obnoxious things and make decisions. I’m here today, I think very different from when I was young before, but that’s interesting about life.

Barry Hayles:

It looks like you’ve been through a lot of development. Was that an easy transition for you to make from being timid and shy to being the leader and the CEO?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

For some reason, it was not difficult for me. I mean, even though I was timid, even though I thought “Who am I to tell anybody anything?” I think, somewhat correctly, I think I have to get the work done and so I learned that, if I’m not very clear, then it doesn’t work out. I get into it and I mean, even as a CEO, I somehow have the luxury of doing the things I like and I try to find the people and do other things. I’m not very successful at the end for everything, but I kind of enjoy it and that’s how it still goes.

Barry Hayles:

That’s the important thing, right? That you do enjoy it. Does it feel like a job to you, or does it feel like pleasure like a hobby?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Funny thing is I work very hard. I wake up in the morning maybe at five sometimes most of the time because I have some problem, mainly a technical problem, I have to solve. But, I have a lot of hobbies and I would probably think, you know, maybe it’s not true, but I think I would prefer to play guitar or play tennis than to look at the cybersecurity problem and solve them. I solve them because I think I know stuff, I have to sell them, maybe to change something better in the world. But, it’s funny, I used to like martial arts and a lot of sports. I still do them, but less than before because I’m busy, I’m older as well. But I even say, you know, I can stop my job tomorrow… maybe that’s not true.

Barry Hayles:

So, you mentioned some of the hobbies, do you find it easy to have that work-life balance or do you find yourself always working even when you shouldn’t be?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I find it easy and, if you look at Microsoft tracking and so on, they will say I never have any quiet time kind of day. I’m always busy. But, you know maybe at 10 in the morning I play guitar, or at 11 in the morning I play tennis, and I feel I always have something to do which I mostly like. Of course, besides all the hustle and the worries about the business. But, I think, just using the right time, and the main thing is you don’t have stress, don’t worry. I mean, the worry makes you cumbersome. But, people today, nobody works so hard that they get hardship from working hard.

Barry Hayles:

You’ve been through quite a journey, haven’t you? In your life so going from Vietnam to Germany setting at your own company and also going to the to Canada. How have you changed through living in other countries? Is it something that has had a big impact on you?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I grew up in a family where my parents are kind of intellectual. They were the principals of the two largest schools in my city. But I think, what for me, partly big time, is when I was in Germany independently living. I worked hard before, but living independently gives you life lessons and I contribute part of it to it. Also, the German work is very hard as well, so I learned some good things from Germany. You know, life is funny. I remember my geography teacher asked us once, “How do you define happiness in life?” We say whatever we said. And then, he said: “We know about all the heroes in history right? All these heroes you admire, all of them have a hardship — they work very hard.” If you think about happiness, like, they relax, they enjoy life, maybe there’s no moment in their life where they are happy that way. Happiness is defined differently for different people and it’s up to you how to make your life happy.

Barry Hayles:

Can you remember what answer you gave when you were asked that question? What can you remember?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I was timid, I didn’t give an answer. But, I do say, later on in life, I think one of the most important things in life is the more time you have happiness, the more fulfillment you have. Of course, your happiness should be about other people as well, not just your own happiness. That is important.

Barry Hayles:

What teachings do you bring from your upbringing in Vietnam that you’ve used now that you’ve set up and are running as CEO? Do you still have those teachings in your mind and if so, what teachings did you keep in there?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I don’t think I really try to teach people too much, but I think I do want to give them help so that they can do everything better. At one point in time, I even learned that I was in the course and they said, “What do you do in the company?” I said, “I try to run the company, I try to help a little bit here and there.” But, then they ask questions like: “Do you help them on the spirit side?” It turns out, when I think about it, I’m proud to say I do help them, not only by giving them a job, but also telling them here and there a healthy body in a good spirit mind. I don’t know, it has become more and more important to me. I mean, if you have the means to do something impactful, we end up doing that and slowly recognize it. But since you ask, right now I have workshops or lessons to teach our team the WinMagicians [martial arts]. I think for 8 years already, every week I teach them for an hour about integral Taichi for their health and well-being. I like it and I try to help the team as much as I can.

Barry Hayles:

I hear that focusing on helping others is a big part of your mindset. It’s great to hear that, so, how do you make — sorry you want to say something please?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

It’s funny it comes from Boy Scouts. In Vietnam, I was in Boy Scouts and I learned, for example, that you have to help — every day, help a person, for example. Or, you have to be, liking people, liking whatever. And, for some reason, when I was so young that was in my mind and I kept it all my life and I think it’s just good — it makes everything else better. I think helping people is a good thing.

Barry Hayles:

It’s a win-win situation, isn’t it? When you help other people, they feel better, and they want to help others, right?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Correct. Pay forward, win-win. For me, fairness is also about win-win. I don’t want to do something which harms me and helps other people. But if you can think enough about all kinds of things and most of the time you try to have a win-win and, for me, fairness is very important. I wouldn’t do anything which harms my partner.

Barry Hayles:

Perfect, lovely, thank you for sharing that with us. Have you ever had times in your life or career as a CEO where the needs of the business might conflict with the well-being of staff. And, if you’ve ever had such a scenario, how do you navigate that?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I guess I must have many of those things. But, probably in the end, I give the excuse, whether or not it’s an excuse, that if I continue to do this kind of thing, it’s not only harmful for us or for business, but also harmful for the individual because it’s against their will. I make some decisions here and there because I believe that, in the long term, it’s also a handful for the other party.

Barry Hayles:

It’s got long-term implications right so you might get a short-term profit. But, actually, long term is going to end up a deficit.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Yes, and that for us and for the other side as well. Maybe the decision seems to be negative for that person. But, you know, if the person is not doing the job very well because it’s not what he’s liking, then maybe switching the job is a better long-term solution for them.

Barry Hayles:

I understand these are the trials and tribulations of the CEO, right? Every day.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I do, I do… It happens several times that, I tell the person, but then I keep them you know, let’s say, for a while until he finds another job but that’s a while may take even two years. I mean, at the end it was fine with me.

Barry Hayles:

It speaks of your upbringing, right? You have a very modest humble and very pro-work attitude from what I’m hearing from you.

Can you just tell us a little bit about WinMagic Corp. just for anyone who’s watching now who doesn’t actually know what you do? Could you just tell us briefly a bit more about WinMagic Corp?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I founded the company in 1997. I think I’m pretty good at what I’m doing about software engineering. In year 98, I got a difficult project from the NSA, something, I think, nobody else could do. In any case, from that project, we leapt into a very cool full disk encryption company to protect the laptop. And, I believe that we have the best full-disk description product, and we raised the bar for many years. We didn’t do very well on the sales and marketing side at the end. So, 5 years ago, I tried to do something on the authentication side, on the remote authentication side. I have some ideas about authentication and cryptography and all. But then, I think at one point I say the whole world has been wrong about remote authentication. I use our expertise, what we have for the last 20 years, to bring up something very cool and now I will talk about that.

Let me ask you a few questions. For example, today everybody is worrying about cybersecurity, about online attacks. The industry spends a lot of money on that. The businesses and consumers and government all seem to be on the losing side against the cyber-attacks. So, the question may be, is it very difficult to do the authentication? Is authentication maybe an unsolvable problem? I mean the whole spent a billion dollars to make everything more secure, why did they not succeed? My answer to you is maybe provoking. Authentication may be an unsolvable problem to the world — that’s why they could not solve the problem. Let me explain more. If you have to verify a user, and even online where you cannot see the person, everything through the network and everything becomes data, which can be manipulated. Online is very difficult. But, even if you have to verify a person, in person, in front of you: You can see the person, it may be your friend for 20 years, but that person could be Tom Cruise. You don’t know, it may be just Tom Cruise, right? It is very difficult to verify a user and, if you have a machine, a very high-end biometric machine to verify a user, how accurate is it? Would it be accurate if you verified the other million users or a billion users or even 8 billion users? Of all the users in the world would you or would the machine be able to verify the person from the other 8 billion? That is very difficult and it’s kind of unsolvable online to verify a user.

But, if you don’t verify the user, but you verify the computer, the endpoint the user uses when accessing the online account instead. I mean everything the user does through the endpoint where nobody can talk to a website directly everything has to go to the endpoint. If you think about verifying the endpoint instead of the user. The endpoint has a cryptography chip. If you use cryptography in the chip, not only you can verify the endpoint from all endpoints in the world, but it’s not about 8 billion, it’s trillions, zillions — everything. The whole world cannot attack and cannot break even one verification of the endpoint for thousands of years. If you just verify the endpoint instead of the user, the accurate verification will be very good. If we then now verify the endpoint instead of the user and let the endpoint verify the user or whatever else, none of the attacks today would have succeeded. See today, the attacker, as we most know, the attacker was not the authorized user and the attacker did not use the computer, the endpoint which belongs to the user. If you just verify that endpoint, it takes a millisecond and none of the attacks occur. We know about the endpoint, we know how to use a crypto chip on the endpoint, and so, we believe that, the way we do it, it can make the cyberspace a safe place in terms of online account takeover.

Does it make sense to you?

Barry Hayles:

Yes, it does make sense. It’s really interesting that you say that. It sounds so natural when you say it like that it sounds so obvious but obviously that hasn’t always been the case, has it? What kind of thought process did you come up with for that?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Because I know cryptography, I like cryptography, like I said. I do disk encryption, which is very difficult. But then, I think about authentication, and I see the world is worrying about all of that. One time I looked into it. I use FIDO cryptography and public keys. I say, why do people use a phone? Because the phone is easy to develop on, but the endpoint is much better. I try to say, use the endpoint and, if we use the phone, that is through Bluetooth. After maybe 6 months, I say, if you use the endpoint and the endpoint verifies the user anyway, because the endpoint has always verified the user, you have to log in to the endpoint and, if after inactivity time, you have to unlock the endpoint again. If you use the endpoint as an authentication device and let the endpoint verify the user, you achieve the most secure solution in the world today with no user action. Completely no user action because the endpoint verifies the user already. The user doesn’t have to do more than verify to the endpoint. I try to say, I use the endpoint instead of the phone, I use the phone as well. I do this and that and say we have the most choices until we think all the choices are irrelevant. What is relevant is the user doesn’t have to do anything. People used to say that the user is the weakest link of cyber security. But actually, it’s not. Users shouldn’t have to do anything on remote access or on authentication. The vendors and the industry were wrong in the first place. That is amazing: everybody in the world talks about passwordless authentication MFA, but they don’t really differentiate between access to the endpoint and access to everything else. We say: Access to the endpoint you use MFA, you use password. But for everything else, there’s no MFA, no password, nothing, no user. I think that is only a part of the whole thing. There are also other equations and for the network, the server, and all the ecosystem partner contributions. But, I think the idea is correct, cyber-attacks as it is today will no longer be successful. Maybe new attacks will come up. But for now, I think it will be completely changed from before.

Barry Hayles:

Do you feel like it’s normally a cat and mouse game where the system is always trying to catch up with the criminals or do you think that’s about to change now and it will be different?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I think it’s about to change. You go from verifying the user/password, which you know is very difficult to do, and verifying the biometric, which is not very accurate when you think about the other 8 billion other possible mix-ups. But, if you think about cryptography’s ability to separate a zillion of things, it will be very different. It’s a bit difficult for the whole world to change everything. I mean, a lot of companies think many people understand somewhat I think, but it’s a bit difficult to implement. So, people switch to implement something that I call technologically incorrect. It’s not the natural solution, but people cannot do the real one, so they do the fake one and have to do all kinds of different things. For example, using the endpoint is good, you want to verify the user and the endpoint. But, why does 99% of the solutions use the phone? With the phone, you can verify with cryptography, but then the phone is not the endpoint so the attack that you do something on the phone. Then the service is given to the endpoint.

Then there’s even more bottleneck that the industry bringing up. For example, most people today have a PC and a phone. They can use a PC to access online account. If something goes wrong with the PC, they take the phone. Or, if they take something in the phone wrong, they take the PC but the world uses the phone to make the authentication device for the PC. You have the bottleneck for the phone and so you have the fallback bottleneck neck artificially and that’s because people cannot use the endpoint as the authentication device.

Barry Hayles:

That situation, as you described, it is relevant to me — I do exactly that. If I do it on the PC and I can’t do it, I just go to the phone and try it on there. I do it just as you described it. So, it definitely happens like that in the real world.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

It should and then you don’t need the phone to authenticate the PC. The PC with the TPM on it, not only that… Since you use the PC with the TPM, you don’t need any phone, any USB token, or anything. The PC itself can continuously verify with the server without user action. So, instead of not verifying, keeping the session for an hour, the PC can talk to the server every five minutes or whatever, depending on the situation, without you knowing anything.

Barry Hayles:

And that’s what we like. We like convenience for the user — everything that makes life easier for the user.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Right, I mean our main buzz word is “no user action.” But, at the same time, the security of our authentication is more secure than anything else out there. More secure because it uses the latest protocol based on cryptography, but then it can do it as often as it wants. Also, there are things, since we are talking: zero trust is the new principle the whole world aspires to, and that is what you need to have stronger security: zero trust. Zero trust says you should verify the user and the device for each application, for each transaction. Each transaction means: every minute you get an email, it should verify the user. Of course, it cannot be done. But then, if you switch around and apply the computer programming concept that interrupt is better than polling — so, the event-driven update. Meaning, for example, we are friends and I ask you to do something urgently, but then I have to ask you every second or every minute, “Did you do it? Did you do it?” It is a waste of time. It should be, I ask you to do something and, whenever you do it, in a few minutes, in a few hours, you just come back to me and interrupt me and say yes, it is done.

If we use interrupt instead of polling, the endpoint will give all the information to the server. It’s faster, it uses no bandwidth… everything is better than before again because you trust the endpoint. The endpoint is the friend. The endpoint for the online user can be like a self-driving car, a trusted self-driving car. We know the endpoint, we put a lot of workload to the endpoint, so we achieve the fact that the user doesn’t have to do anything anymore.

Barry Hayles:

I love the way you explain it, you make it sound so simple for me. Thank you for taking that. Sounds really interesting actually and it’s kind of an exciting field, isn’t it? And it’s one that’s only going to get more in the future.

If you had your crystal ball and you could predict the future, can you see a much higher demand? I mean, we’ve only just come out of the pandemic; I imagine that that has been a big boost in terms of usage. I know in the UK, I don’t know Canada, but I know lots of businesses were starting to allow employees to work from home and that requires authentication. So, the question I’m asking is, has the pandemic had a big impact on the way that your company performs and what do you see as a future for your company, bearing in mind coming headwinds?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I’ll answer it in a few different aspects. First off, the idea of remote authentication doesn’t have anything to do with the pandemic. People use it more, but in general, you know, remote is good: you don’t have to travel and pollute the world even more if you don’t have to. The fact that we figured it out during the pandemic is kind of random, I would say. But, I believe strongly the idea is correct. Why do you ask the user to do something difficult for the user? The accurate verification has to be based on cryptography today — on public key cryptography. The user has no idea how to do it right, so the machine can do it in milliseconds, user cannot do it. That will change the cyber security space, I believe it’s just a matter of time. Actually, Google, Apple, and Microsoft go in that direction as well. They announced something similar to that, but, I believe that we recognized it earlier than the big players and we have implemented more.

In any case, the other thing about the pandemic is we have to work at home… You know, this beautiful office, we have not used for three years. I come here maybe twice a month. But, in our company, I find the productivity from working from home is double — it’s much better than before. People don’t go for coffee. We can have five/ten meetings a day. So, in our software development company, I think most of us will work from home. Our VP of marketing wants to see more people, but that’s another story.

Barry Hayles:

There are always conflicting interests, isn’t there, in the company? I understand that and what about the future? So, we talked a little bit about the past there, I mean, it’s not going to go anywhere, is it? There’s always going to be a demand for this. So, would you say that prospects are looking rosy, or are there difficulties ahead?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

If for some reason the industry doesn’t apply this, I don’t see the reason why not, the cyber security will be a different space. Actually, Google tried that before, but it was more complicated: you had to buy a YubiKey — a USB token — but the success rate is 100%: no attack could be successful after that. It’s just a matter of implementing that more, and there’s no user action. The idea even applies even to website cookies. If you use cookies, instead of a normal cookie like you know today, the website cookie. You take a cookie, which requires the TPM, the crypto chip on the PC, to sign the message every time, nobody can attack you anymore. Like a consumer: nobody can take over the account from Twitter or Facebook or PayPal for consumers anymore until the attacker steals the laptop or the PC of the user and then has to hack it. Software is eating the world; I would give it away free for all consumers in the world, if I had my way.

I think it will change completely. The attacker going on the business government is one thing, but going to some consumers who don’t have money is another thing. I don’t know if it comes to it, but I would happily do my part.

Barry Hayles:

You’re making the world a better place one way or another, right? Perfect thank you very much for that it’s really interesting to hear your perspective on it and it’s nice to hear that you have a very personal and human touch when you’re when you’re describing the products, and that’s very refreshing. Especially for a CEO they may not be renowned for their philanthropy and common decency, but it’s nice and refreshing to hear that from you so thank you for sharing that.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Thank you very much.

Barry Hayles:

No problem. If we talk about, okay, employment and what kind of people do you see bringing value to your workplace. What kind of qualities do you look for in people when you’re hiring them?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

It’s also a very interesting thing. I mean, the way may be different from others a little bit. First off, I’m quite competitive. Our mission statement is, “We achieve this and that disk encryption and secure data,” but I always keep “high standards” and “strong ethics.”

Strong ethics of course are important, and high standards because I like sophistication, I like an aesthetic view of things and high standards. At one point, people ask me… the team defined, “What do we do to define our company?” We have a high-performing team. But, then we discuss further, and they say, “High high-performing team means, if people don’t perform highly, you have to let them go.” I switched completely I said no: If so, I don’t want to be a high-performance team anymore. We are a family-oriented company we do our best. But, you see, I am an immigrant myself, I didn’t speak English perfectly or well at all. We have many immigrants in our company who don’t speak English and so it’s okay not to be a high-performing company. But then, I think people want challenges, people want to all kings of good things, normally. So, for me, even when a high-level executive, I think mostly it’s common sense. Of course, you want to help, you want to work with other people, you want to grow the company and sometimes there’s conflict. But for me, the common-sense and understanding of mankind are the most important traits in our company.

Barry Hayles:

Lovely, thank you much for that. So, how do you navigate challenges when you’ve got conflicting interpersonal networks? You don’t have to give examples, but just generally, when you have two sets of people who may have conflicting ideas about how to do something or how to progress the company?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Of course, I spend a lot of time thinking about how to solve the problem fairly and correctly: beneficial of a win-win situation for all. Most of the time, I ask my team and my wife. We don’t solve all the problems all the time, but I think we do our best and we take it seriously. It is important for people’s lives.

Barry Hayles:

It sounds like collaboration is a focus for you that’s one of the top things. Do you wear many hats in your company? Are you an expert in everything or do you specialize in one particular field?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

The answer is… yes.

Barry Hayles:

A lot of CEOs do, right?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I still do the product design today. I don’t write code for a long time. I used to be very good with that. But, I think I’m a good software engineer. Actually, I’ll tell you something interesting for me as well. I read somewhere that a software engineer is a beast, meaning a good software engineer can do things another hundred of engineers cannot do. They think of something, their organization skill put things together so that you can go to some path that’s better than others. Then, I think about security software: If you write an application, what is important is how the application behaves and how it solves a problem. But, if you write security software, it’s not only that is important, it’s important how you go there. So, that the path is not going anywhere else so that people can attack it.

I think the best, most talented software engineer should work on the security software to make it very tight and very clean. It has to do with the idea that the best solution is the simplest one but not simpler. That “simple” is very important. If it’s not sophisticated enough, it doesn’t cover all the use cases, then it’s too simple. It’s not the best solution and all of these ideas make me think I still help the team in designing software. I see the variation of user experience, of security, of attack, and so I’m still useful with that. As you can see, I spend a lot of time thinking about how to articulate our vision better so I’m also a marketing person.

Barry Hayles:

It sounds like you really enjoy your job, I can feel the passion from you when you’re talking about your job. But, do you find sometimes you may be too hands-on and you don’t know when to step back? Or do you find that, actually, you know when to draw the line and say okay I’m leaving it to my guys to deal with?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I am lazy myself, I try to do that. But, of course, sometimes if we fail to do something or if we seemingly will fail, I have to try to jump in. But, one of the best decisions I had maybe 15 years ago was not to be in the support email anymore. Otherwise, I see all the support requests and it’s like hundreds of emails a day.

Barry Hayles:

You are the expert on everything right? You want to see everything and know what’s going.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I need this too, but I’m happy if I can be lazy and do less.

Barry Hayles:

I’m sure lazy is not the right word, not for you not all the work that you do, so thank you for that. Now, in terms of growth and stabilization, I do like to ask people is your company always in a stage of growth? Or do you take a time back and say okay let’s stabilize before we move on to the next growth session?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

We are not there where we should be, so I don’t have a pause for now.

Barry Hayles:

It’s all growth right? Growth, growth.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

I still have to do it, yes.

Barry Hayles:

That’s perfect, I think lot of people will be delighted to hear that from you.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

It happened today. What we do I think we’ll change the cyber security space, I think so, I strongly believe so. I’m lazy, but I have to go out and I talk more to preach for the vision because it is correct.

Barry Hayles:

Is it a hard thing to sell to people? Do people… are they really interested in this, or is it something that they just have to accept is a necessity?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

It’s a hard thing. I mean, I believe that everywhere I give a presentation, I talk, and people understand me. I’m kind of successful. But, from there to make a dent in the real thing is a long story.

Barry Hayles:

I can imagine and we are slowly coming to the end of the interview. But, just before we finish, I would like to ask you a question which I ask everyone. So, imagine that there’s someone watching this now, watching you and they want to be an entrepreneur, they want to start their own business. But, maybe they have some doubts or maybe they’re not sure whether they have the ability to do it… what advice would you give to them?

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Thinking back, I think the main thing I have, which is maybe different from others and not non-entrepreneur, is I believe I can make a difference. I can change things and having the freedom to change, having the luxury of the freedom to do what you do and what you believe in is important. If the people have strong enough of that feeling, then they can be entrepreneurs. It is hard work I don’t successfully do everything, there’s a lot of time I fail and so on… a lot of time, I’m asking myself, “What I’m doing?” But, in order to fulfill your desire to make a difference by doing something you believe in, you should do it.

Barry Hayles:

Inspirational words and what a nice way to end this interview with a powerful speech. Thank you so much again for taking the time to speak with us, it’s been an absolute pleasure talking with you.

Thi Nguyen-Huu:

Thank you very much and thank you very much for having me.

Barry Hayles:

Thank you again that was Thi Nguyen-Huu CEO at WinMagic Corp.

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